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I somehow, at some level, knew I was going to be working with weird stuff, and I figured maybe if I got a PhD in psychology, I'd have somebody's stamp of approval on my rational mind so I could maybe get away with it, maybe help others. So I registered for grad school. They really liked me and they gave me a full scholarship and a stipend to live on. But I applied for a predoctoral fellowship from NIMH to go back to San Francisco and do my doctoral work with Joe Kamiya in his lab, which is pretty good thing I did that. It came through just as I got my master's degree.