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Different ways of inviting people into that kind of a space but also to listen, using tools like systemic constellation work, Art of Hosting, and more. There are many ways of how we can do that. A lot of multistakeholder collaboration involves putting something in the purpose, some complex issue that nobody can do on their own and that they really need each other for. Then the purpose holder, let's say, invites them in to commit themselves to that purpose and find that part in their organization or in themselves, the more ego part, people often say, but if it's in service of that purpose and can really shine, then you're closer to that purpose of yourself. So that's the kind of space we invite people into, to weave together, work on these complex issues, not only brainstorm after having connected, but also figure out how to manifest it.