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I think that science doesn't always get right, and I think that modern society doesn't always get right, is this split between mind and body, objective and subjective, the physical world and the mental world. Scientists will often say that only the physical world exists, to the point that they would even say that mind and consciousness is an illusion. But then often you've got people on the other side saying, 'Oh, no, the physical world doesn't exist. It's all just the mind. We can just imagine, believe, whatever we want.' I truly believe that to really understand our nature and to move forwards in a positive way, we have to realize that these two things are fundamentally connected. We are bodies and we are minds. It's just looking at this, you know, looking at ourselves from different perspectives. We need to have a way of looking at the world and interacting with nature that acknowledges the physical world matters. But on the other hand, we are more than just bodies, and we are connected to the rest of life, I think, in quite a spiritual way.