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"When I first read an article by Bruce Lipton, I said, I've got to talk to this guy. He sat with me for three hours going over his whole thesis. It fit into what I was thinking, but it also brought me into understanding biology in a whole new, spiritual way. When I first saw Alex Grey's paintings, I walked into the museum and boom, there was a painting of the physical body turning into light. I said, oh my God, that's exactly what I asked for. John Mack really qualified the abduction and contact experience as real. He was a huge factor in shifting toward acceptance of people's experience."