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For me, I knew as a young child about this presence. I had different experiences as a kid, but I always sought to normalize myself to be with my peers. That happened as a young child. At 11 years old, I had an experience where I could see that I wasn't who my mother, my grandmother, and my uncle thought I was. I had this very big awareness, and then I shrunk myself when I came into their presence so that I could be the son, the grandson, and the nephew. I had other experiences, but I always normalized myself until I was at the university going to school. For the first five years of my speaking, I would never share any of the mystical things that I was part of. I always said something like, I knew of a spiritual teacher and this happened to him, because I didn't want them to focus on me that way. It wasn't until maybe 10 or 15 years in that I started to share personally my own dive into the mystical realm and the things that I've experienced.