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And so there's Dr. Joe Kamiya talking about this. He had stumbled upon this really quite accidentally. He was doing sleep research. He kind of had a hunch that somehow his feedback of, oh, there was just an alpha wave, somehow contributed to there being another. And so there was a lot of research done on what I called the natural reactivity of alpha. Like if you're tired or too frightened, your alpha is low. You have to be in a middle range of arousal and have your naturally occurring alpha, and then, and only then, when you do meditative strategies will your alpha go up literally off the charts. And then you have all these cool meditative, transcendental experiences. At the end of the first day, I knew this was the most exciting thing I had ever done in my life. So I went back the next day. And so it was increasingly wonderful.