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I was in my senior year of a bachelor's degree in physics at Carnegie Institute of Technology in Pittsburgh. And I came out of the student union after lunch to be greeted by this really large hand-painted sign where every letter was a slightly different color, and it said Dr. Joe Kamiya will talk on brain waves and consciousness. I didn't have a class that hour, so I went. I was the only one from the engineering college that was there. And so Dr. Kamiya was talking about his incredible work. And so there's Joe Kamiya saying, oh well, these high states of consciousness have high alpha. So the rest of my senior year, every spare minute was spent in the library learning everything I could. I had this big stack of reprints, and I had read through that three times before I graduated, at which point I jumped on my Triumph motorcycle and headed for San Francisco to hang out with Joe Kamiya.