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So when I eventually answered the call and went to seminary, I even tried to persuade them not to let me in. I'm really glad they did because it's being in that environment that I was able to hone my craft more. I discovered in seminary what it was called because I grew up as an empath, but I didn't know what it was called. A passion around my passion came out of that time in seminary too because I ended up as a retreat facilitator. That's the road I took originally when I was ordained.