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Really the training around shamanism and the discovering, exploration about all the things that shamanism is and is not, and how it incorporates everything in our lives, from our social and familial imprinting to our connection to the quantum field, to our oneness with Pachamama, it was very fascinating when my teacher at that time, Alberto Villoldo, asked this question, which made me really begin to realize perhaps the magnitude of living this purpose and bringing it alive. And the question was, how do you get out of this lifetime alive? In other words, how do you transcend the world in which you are living now consciously in the present moment, not when you die. The greatest challenge was ultimately recognizing that this shift of perception away from the world as I knew it, the dualistic, separate nature of what we all live in, in the 3D reality, to let that peace unfold, let it go, to allow the neurology, the wiring, the hard wiring, the reptilian brain of fight or flight, to be in the journey of seeing how that organically found its own way.