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"I loved Ken Wilber's thinking. I did my dissertation on him. I wound up really feeling like transpersonal psychology was real, and what was possible just went, my mind just really expanded. We have such a narrow vision of ourselves, and I think I certainly did, but to expand into a sense of our interconnection, our lack of separation, our transpersonal capacities, and how much we can really impact each other, how much we impact the world around us, I think we're only beginning to figure out how strongly true this is."