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"It was a slow dawning. I think it started when I switched in college from psychology to English literature. I took one literature course in college and thought, wow, these writers understood what human passion, desire, and intent were all about. Then it took a year of James Joyce, where Joyce was writing in a stream of consciousness. You're inside other people's heads, and I said wow, experience doesn't have to be put into a box. There might be unnamable identifications of certain experiences that are beyond what culture is telling you is possible. And then of course that got me into the whole UFO thing."